9.09.2009

book discussion

this week, i finished reading a couple of books. one was reimagining church by frank viola, the other was the oh-so-controversial book the shack. as i finished the shack today, i was realizing that both books point out that much of our christian tradition is unfounded in biblical truths. why do we go to a building and listen to one person preach the word? why do we get caught up in religious activities rather than listening to the whisper (or shout, or dance) of the spirit?

naturally, we feel comfortable in something that's been part of our heritage in the last 500 years. i'm sure these ideas i'm reading about aren't new or groundbreaking to some, but to me, they are world-shattering. i felt defensive at some points while reading (but i'm still a christian! just because i go to church and sit in a pew and listen to the word being preached doesn't make me a bad person!) viola argues in his book that while god works through anything and everything, not everything is his best. the institutional church...is this really his best? numbing ourselves to the people around us (except during our 3-minute meet & greet) and insisting that going to a second service on sunday earns us "heaven points"? we might not say that out loud, but how many of us are really thinking that (perhaps unknowingly)?

i feel challenged right now. spiritually, mentally, emotionally...even physically. i want to go out and be part of god's kingdom building, but admitting that right now, that might involve only cleaning the toilet feels less than glorious. i want to challenge others in their faith or at least share the challenges i'm going through...but i find that i stumble over my words and my defenses are up. i feel as though i'm falling like i've never fallen before...living real life, even from the comforts of my cushy couch. i have no idea what the future holds, what tomorrow will bring, what job i'll be working at, what challenges lie ahead...but in a strange way, i feel more alive than i have in the past.

are we ever truly alive until everything we know is challenged or taken away? i used to go about my daily life, my daily routine, and feel safe. and yes, i still have daily routines and i still feel somewhat safe, but only when i ignore the little voice in my head that says everything is about to change. it's easy to hide from the truth and talk a big game. it's difficult to humble yourself and turn yourself completely over to god. thy will be done--the prayer that never fails, yet is terrifying to actually submit to.

i have so many more thoughts and so little talent with putting them down in an organized, sensible way. but i'm not entirely sure god or jesus or the spirit are sensible. in fact, i'm pretty sure that in our small group last week we talked about the spirit's presence being chaotic. so here are my chaotic thoughts.

i know lots of people who would disagree with some of the things i'm struggling with. those of you who find comfort in routine, i challenge you to invite the spirit to work. i am definitely one who resists change, but when i'm forced into it, i might as well make lemonade. let the spirit work. let him or her or it guide your life. breathe on me, breath of god.

19 comments:

Philip said...

Wonderful thoughts. I'd love to hear more on them sometime :).

Kendra said...

Hmmm. Since coming to seminary and reading new books, I've also been challenged to think these things.

My Jesus and my Bible also will never be the same to me (not to mention church). Being challenged is hard, I think, not just because we are stubborn, but because our security is shaken, and our most basic assumptions can be pulled out from under our feet.

Good thoughts.

Rachel:) said...

Excellent insight. The spirit is a strange person and being God even a stranger thing, we talked about the trnitiy this week, still a foriegn concept. Everytime i have stepped out in faith i find myself falling quickly into somehting that is real. Why else would I have moved to MT, never felt terribly settled, but blessed beyond belief. But i have trouble stepping out in faith in numerous other ways...good challenge.

Allison said...

Oh, kiddo . . . thanks so much for this. I'm going through the same thing yet again, and it is good, it is stretching, but it is hard, too. Blessings to us both as we listen to the chaotic--but joyful, always joyful!--Spirit.
Love you.

Amanda said...

i love "the shack"; i want so badly to meet God in that way. the way relationship is portrayed in that story is mindboggling, fantastic. i want that. and i'm slowly catching glimpses of it in life. partly in church, which i have begun to appreciate so much more these past couple of years. not because going to church makes you a good christian, but because its a place where we can stand on our tiptoes and touch His fingertips just for a little while. it doesn't have to be church, but for now it is for me. it used to be the iowan corn fields under a clear sky on on a starry night. stars are hard to find here, so i find my moments elsewhere.
but anyway, i feel something like what you wrote about here. thanks for sharing!

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